Talking about everything from his musical background, to his transition from writing as the frontman of The Rooks to writing for his debut solo project Human Nature, with an in depth look at some of the tracks that make up this record, this interview will tell you everything you need to know about Garth. and why he should be an artist to watch for the rest of 2018.
Bryan: How long have you been doing music?
Garth: Well that’s a loaded question. A long time. I haven’t been singing as long as I have been doing music. I asked my parents for a Yamaha 32 key keyboard when I was about 4 years old, so I’ve kind of always been musically inclined, loved playing music and as I got older I was doing classical music, playing in orchestra, french horn, flute and all different sorts of things and as I got a little bit older, I, I’ve never had the confidence to really sing and be a soloist until I was older. When I went to college, I said, you know I’m kind of sick of feeling like I can’t really go for it, so I joined an acapella group and I met Spencer, who was playing keys in The Rooks. We lived in the same dorm Freshman year, and I want to say by my Sophomore year is when I first performed singing with a live band. And that was with many of the members who would eventually become The Rooks.
Bryan: Would you say your family was a musical family?
Garth: Not at all. My parents love music but I would not call them very musical. My Mom likes to say if you play her a song she can tell you if it’s a hit on the radio and she says she can carry a tune, which she can, but my Dad, you know, they’re just, you wouldn’t really want to see them on a stage. My grandmother is pretty musical though and then from what I understand her father was very musical, so um, maybe it was that a little bit, but no, in my house it wasn’t the typical musical family, or you know my parents pushing me towards music, they just kind of let me do my thing. I asked for a keyboard, they gave it to me, when I wanted to quit piano, they let me quit, and I was like I’m going to play a different instrument, they were like ‘alright, figure it out’, so yeah it was more like that.
Bryan: I’m interested, because your voice has such a high register. Is that something you learned organically or did you start taking lessons? What happened with that?
Garth: It was organic in most ways. And a little bit of it, uh, there’s elements to my singing that I honestly don’t know if I can explain. All I can say is 10 years ago, my voice didn’t sound like it sounds right now. It was, I feel like I always had an ear for music, certainly, but the voice that people hear now is not the voice that I had before. When I was younger, I always loved to sing but I did it in my room, I was listening to my little walkman or whatever, and I would sing a long to things and I enjoyed it. That was kind of me and my stuffed animals in my room when my parents weren’t around. But I knew that I could kind of sing pretty high. I remember being in Middle School choir, or Middle School chorus, I took a chorus class in Middle School and I’d sing like Soprano for a while. And then my voice changed, like many men’s voices change, but it wasn’t like a stereotypical, it just kind of shifted slowly and I did realize one day that I couldn’t sing this Mariah Carey song, I used to be able to sing, and I was like ‘Okay, well I guess that’s cancelled, that’s over’, but I still loved to sing and I kind of had a deeper voice, but then when I got to college there were some notes I could still hit that were very high, and when I joined this acapella group and I was around these amazing male voices, you kind of get a little bit of training from them. And then honestly, you can learn a lot from YouTube. There just came a point where I was like, ‘You know, I’d really like to make my voice stronger’ and would watch these videos on YouTube of like, scales and warm-ups and things like that. So it’s a mixture of putting myself in performing groups that forced me to hang with people who were much better than me and looking on YouTube for things. By the time I was a junior in college, I was able to take a semester of voice lessons and my teacher kind of had a lot of operatic techniques that I learned that was really cool and slowly my voice kind of – It’s kind of like if you could imagine being 14 and your voice slides down. By the time I was 21, my voice was sliding up again, and so I don’t know, it’s kind of a weird situation and I just do the best I can with whatever is going on with it. I think people see me and expect that I’ve been taking singing lessons since I was 6 or whatever, and really it’s like no, I feel like I’m a pretty average person, but it’s like a weird thing where I kind of chipped away at some techniques and didn’t hurt myself. I learned how to not hurt myself.
Bryan: Was that something you learned through a video? Because I know a lot of people don’t know how to sing correctly.
Garth: It’s something I kind of learned through videos and like the acapella group I was in in college led to another group I was in during the summers in Martha’s Vineyard and just you learn what’s sustainable vocally and you learn what’s not. And I also think growing up I used to like do impressions of people and do random things like that and you kind of learn to mimic things in a certain way, until it’s your own style. Eventually you stop mimicking, when it comes to singing, and you develop your own style and there came a point when I was a Senior where I had a show with The Rooks and then I went home for Christmas and I lost my voice and I very rarely had ever lost my voice, and I went to the doctor and they said I had nodes and I was like ‘Well this won’t stand’. It was like December 20th and I had 3 shows with The Rooks on January 10th, 11th, and 12th – or no, this was after Christmas that this all happened but the whole time before Christmas my voice was complete trash and my roommate now has a video of me trying to sing a song, and it was so bad, like comically bad, and he was like ‘what is going on with you, why is your voice so terrible?’. I was like I don’t know I’m just a bit sick, and then yeah it was nodes. So after that I kind of dug deeper in warm ups and techniques and vocal rest and humidity and doing all the things that can preserve your voice, and taking it a lot more seriously because I just started thinking ‘I’m in this band that we’re trying to take to New York and become a real thing, and so I need to take care of my voice’, more than I was doing before, and then yeah, it started to become more intense, like staying away from dairy and 10 hours of vocal rest, or 16 hours vocal rest, and eventually they went away, within a couple of months. But I really did have to vocal rest for like 16 hours a day. Like before I did the shows, I was on vocal rest for like 9 days where I just didn’t talk at all. So yeah, it’s definitely a commitment. But yeah, outside of the semester of voice lessons I had in college, I don’t have any other vocal training.
Bryan: I probably should have asked this earlier, where did you go to school?
Garth: I went to Wesleyan in Connecticut.
Bryan: So yeah we met through your performance with The Rooks. What does The Rooks mean to you?
Garth: What does The Rooks mean to me? Well The Rooks is really the foundation of my singing professionally, singing with a live band. So before there was The Rooks, all the original members of The Rooks were in a big Motown band at Wesleyan, and it was from playing with people in that band that this group was put together, with the expressed purpose of going to New York and trying to do it for real. Before that point, I had not considered singing professionally for a career, that was not what I was aiming to do with my life. So being in The Rooks was the blueprint and opened doors for me to say ‘Oh, maybe I should consider that’, you know it didn’t happen overnight, but yeah it’s really the beginning of all other music performances I will do. Many people have a band in high school, I didn’t do that. It really is kind of my start, with other people who did do that, that have had those experiences, but for me it was very new.
Bryan: At what point with your experience playing with The Rooks did you ever consider trying to do something on your own?
Garth: Well I’ve met a lot of different talented people along the way and became very close friends with people. And people would encourage me ‘Oh you should try doing this, you should try doing that’ and I just felt like ‘Nah I can’t, I don’t know’, because it was hard for me to picture myself or think about my skills outside of the context of The Rooks because I did not know otherwise. I did not know myself in any other musical context outside of that so it took a lot for me to push outside of that and say ‘Well yeah, I’ve written songs in this group, so why couldn’t I write songs for somebody else?’. That just wasn’t in my nature. I think some kids grow up, they’re standing on the kitchen counter saying ‘Watch me sing’, and they just have a better propensity of just going for it, and for me with singing or music in this way, where I’m kind of like the face of it, it’s a lot harder for me to just access that. So that took a long time for me to be like ‘Okay, yeah, why not me, why not try?’. I have other things in my life that I do that more with, but yeah it was just kind of a slow process of people, close friends, encouraging me ‘You know you should try this’, or producers coming to me with ‘Oh I love your voice, can we write something together?’ and me saying ‘Uh sure, let’s see what happens’.
Bryan: How many years in the making do you think Human Nature is when looking back at it from an outside perspective?
Garth: Well I mean if I wanted to be really artsy, I’d say ‘It’s 28 years in the making’, but really the first song on this project that I wrote was “Erika” and that was in 2015. I didn’t know that that song would eventually be on a project like this at all. It was written with my friend in Toronto, CaseyMQ, who does a lot of great work up there, and we were just kind of toying around with music and collaborating together and I didn’t know if it was going to be some side project between him and I or what it was going to be, but we wrote a bunch of different songs together over the course of a year, 18 months, every once in awhile I would go up to Toronto, hang out with some of my friends up there that I met through him and his band. So yeah, suddenly I had a few batches of songs, and then between other people from other groups that I had met in performing with The Rooks they would say ‘Oh, do you want to work on this? Or work on that?’. And I had a couple of songs that I had started playing around with in GarageBand by myself and yeah it was really 2015 that I began to kind of start the collection process of songs that probably were 15-25 songs that turned into these 8 songs. After kind of meeting with everybody and having people say, “Oh I’ve got some songs for you’, eventually I did realize, ‘Okay like I’ll put this together, it’ll be my own name and project and then we’ll see how it goes’. And “Human Nature” is actually the last song to be written, so I had to kind of completely change the idea about what the project was called, and everything really changed after I wrote that song here in New York, and I was like ‘Oh right, I’ve got to use this song then’, this has to be like that song’. I let things change as they happen.
Bryan: From my own experience working in creative things, it’s hard to ever do something with a timetable, you know, things just have to happen the way they need to happen. Now I’ve listened to Human Nature maybe 5, 6 times through. Forgive me if I’m wrong but it almost sounds like, you could argue this record is conceptual in nature. It definitely seems like there’s a lot of songs play into one another and it’s almost hard for me to believe that there wasn’t an instance that provoked a lot of these songs to be written. Would you say that’s true?
Garth: No actually, I wouldn’t say that. I’m glad that it feels that way. I really wanted it to feel very cohesive. The songs I selected, I selected with the purpose that they feel cohesive in tone, sound, content, you know like there would kind of maybe be like a general cohesion in the content but you know like they definitely weren’t written that way, because I collaborated with so many different people. There are many sets of musicians that are on this record who have never met each other and have never been within the same room of each other or had never recorded with each other, because I’m really just starting out, so I had to do it kind of guerilla style recording, getting into the studio when you can, or going out to Philly with the producer Donnie Spackman that I worked with a lot on this record. He has a farm out in Pennsylvania and his studio was still being built, so there’s literally drywall everywhere when I’m trying to track vocals, like it’s really just a microphone and a board and like an empty not even insulated barn that eventually did become a studio. By the time I finished the record, now the studio is done. So it really took a long time, but conceptually, you know there’s a lot of love song kind of things, but in different aspects of relationships and not necessarily romantic but how we relate to each other. Sometimes there’s a longing, sometimes there’s a little bit of hurt, there’s confusion and I feel like a lot of that is kind of the meat of what’s going on on the project.
Bryan: Yeah it definitely feels like there’s a lot of life experience work in a lot of the songs, and it makes sense given your age. My brother’s seven years older than me as well, and I can tell there’s a big gap between being 21 and 28. There’s a lot of life to be learned.
Garth: Yeah it’s different. I think you start to feel things more intensely probably around the age of 21, I feel like. You know, I also live in New York, which is a high pressure city, trying to do music, which is a high pressure industry and you devote yourself to that and you feel like sometimes you miss out on other things and I don’t know, I think it creates a landscape for you to feel probably more intense emotions, compared to if I had just gotten stuck with a full time job in an office, which I had, but I no longer have. There’s less stability. If you’re in a position where there’s no stability, you’re going to feel a little bit emotional. I guess maybe that’s what’s in some of these songs for sure.
Bryan: Honestly, I think a lot of times when people are trying to find themselves, that’s kind of the time when people’s best creations get made, because there’s a lot of venturing and a lot of venting. Looking at a record like ‘Rosemary’ or a record like ‘Erika’, are those two records connected at all in any way?
Garth: (Laughs) They’re actually not. So “Rosemary” was a song that was actually presented to me by my friend Jess Best who is an amazing singer and writer and works with Connor Schultze. So I went to Wesleyan with Jess, I definitely encourage you to look up her music because she really is incredible, and you know, I was kind of in the process of mixing songs that I already had and she I think, Donnie, who helped me with a lot of of production, he played them for her and Connor, and they approached me and said, ‘Oh, we’d love to work with you on some other songs’. And I was thinking at the time, ‘Oh you know, maybe when I finish this we can get together and work on stuff’, but then I kind of changed my mind and said, ‘Well let’s see what we can do together, and then after that point, I’ll select the songs that I feel fit best’. So “Erika” is a song I wrote years before I met with Jess and Connor, I met with them for them to show me this song “Rosemary”. And then when they showed me their demo is when I was like, ‘You know, I’d love to record that song and kind of do my own spin on it’.
Bryan: Was that the first time you’ve ever done anything like that?
Garth: That is the first time I’ve ever done anything like that. Within The Rooks, especially when we started out, there were 6 different people, and you know we were all working on the songs at one time so sometimes one person would write lyrics, one person would write a melody, or I would write the lyrics, or I would write the bridge and someone else would write the verse and you’re kind of always in constant conversation. This was one of the first times — you know people had presented me with beats and tracks and things like that before, but this is the first time that anyone’s just said, ‘Here’s a song that’s written – will you record it?’ And I just got to decide, yes, or no. So that was definitely really different for me. Jess and Connor have an amazing ability to convey pretty strong emotion in what they do and that’s what I heard in a song like “Rosemary” or a song like “The Mess”. There’s a rawness, but a gentleness in that writing that I was really honored to be presented with. And I said, ‘Yeah, I will absolutely record that.’
Bryan: So “Rosemary” and “The Mess”, are there any other songs?
Garth: So yeah, those two came from them. “Love Like” was kind of like, like it wasn’t finished, so we got to do all of that together. I got to write the bridge and vocals and things like that. “Can I Follow You There?” as well was another moment where it wasn’t finished yet and we got to kind of produce it together and move around the sections and things like that. And, “I Don’t Know What Love Is” as well. That was like a :30 second loop that they gave me and I was able to flesh it out a little bit and then kind of produce like the, we got to work together to kind of produce the structure, and then I sent it to Watsky.
Bryan: Yeah, I was going to ask about that!
Garth: Yeah. I just emailed him. I had been on tour with Watsky many years ago in 2012 because a member of The Rooks had grew up with Kush Mody , who was Watsky’s producer and then in 2012 when I had just moved to the city, I wasn’t working at all, I was trying to find work, like just a regular job, it wasn’t working, and I got a call in October if I would go on tour with them for like two weeks, and it was the first job I ever had out of college. Like the first paying job I had out of college was going on tour with him, rather than like being an admin in an office, which was crazy to me, but that’s how I kind of got connected with his crew who are amazing and still incredibly supportive of what I’m working on in The Rooks and otherwise.
Bryan: That’s cool! When you guys were writing “I Don’t Know What Love Is”, did you have an idea that you wanted someone else on it, specifically Watsky at all, or anybody? Did you guys know that going into it or was that something you figured out while writing it?
Garth: When I was recording the vocals, I just recorded the vocals, and I just asked Donnie, can we open up, just 16 or 32 bars because I feel like this is a song that a rapper could be on. And so, I had a shortlist of people who I wanted to reach out to, and I actually wanted, initially I wanted to have a female and a male rapper on the song to kind of make it more of a conversation, but you know I wasn’t able to, in the time that I wanted to kind of pull that all together, so um, yeah Watsky was really gracious and yeah he just sent me his verse. The only requirements I had were to not have any profanity, just because, I don’t know it was my first solo record and I didn’t want my parents to be like “what is this?”.
Bryan: I feel like it almost would’ve sounded out of context, given the record itself.
Garth: Yeah! Like who’s just dropping f-bombs? I don’t know, I just feel like that’s definitely not the vibe of this record and a lot of hot mess things come out of my mouth in everyday life, but on this project, I wanted everybody to be able to enjoy it. I just wanted anyone of any age to listen to it without getting in trouble I guess?
Bryan: That’s cool, I mean it’s definitely something we don’t see a lot anymore. To each their own. So looking at the tracklist as a whole, which records can you kind of point out that are the most related to you as a person, and which ones are the ones that you primarily had the most writing with?
Garth: Yeah, so I definitely had the most writing with “Erika”, “Human Nature”, “Love Like”, those three on this project. There were many songs that I left off the project, some to time constraints and kind of the timing that I wanted it to come out and some to, you know at the end of the day I just felt like these songs melted into a moment together. But “Human Nature”, definitely, that is the most, it has the most meaning to me I guess. Because “Erika” is like a fictional story kind of, like it’s very fanciful I guess, but “Human Nature” is about like a real situation that I witnessed, or the emotions about that song are about a real situation I witnessed that was kind of a painful thing, so that was kind of the one that came from the most, from the deepest place for me.
Bryan: I’ll be honest, that doesn’t shock me and the reason is because I think that record stands out. I think that record honestly is a standout song for the project, so if anything I see you as the songwriter, I can hear when it’s coming from you as a listener, which is cool.
Garth: Well thank you. It’s funny because I had recorded all of these other songs before I recorded “Human Nature”, and then I recorded that song, I wrote and recorded that song, and then I was like, ‘Oh yeah’, like I was saying earlier, I was like, ‘Yeah, I’m going to have to, I need to get this one on’. But yeah it’s definitely the most personal song that i have ever written. Probably one of two really personal songs that I’ve ever written. The other one I left off the record because it’s too close to “Human Nature”, it sounds and the content, it’s a similar vibe. I plan on releasing that song later.
Bryan: That’s good to hear! But honestly, it makes sense knowing this was a conscious construction after I listened to it, I think that landed. I think that did a good job because the entire sonics of the record definitely flow into one another and there’s no song where I’m like “Well that was out of nowhere”. It all feels very similar without feeling similar to each other, which is cool.
Garth: Thank you, I appreciate that I really do.
Bryan: Of course. Would it be safe to say that “Human Nature” is the most personal song that’s been released to the public?
Bryan: So after doing that, how does that feel? Is that something you want to try and get in touch with again?
Garth: Yeah, I definitely will. And you know, I haven’t gone as far to say who the song is about, or whom, the whom’s, the song is or are about, which I think that I would, I don’t know, I don’t know how that would go if I revealed that information. I don’t know if people are ready for that. So I won’t out of respect. But I can say it came from watching a real interaction over many years and kind of putting that dynamic into a song.
Bryan: So for a song like “Erika”, which is fictional, could you ever see yourself writing in the near future along those lines that’s maybe nonfictional?
Garth: Um, yeah…maybe. Hmm… maybe. That song again, I was just with my friend Casey and we kind of envisioned this character Erika and sometimes you can’t really explain it but the lyrics just come out. The story just comes out and when it does you just kind of have to honor it as it’s coming out. And then the next thing I knew there it was. I was like ‘Oh, okay, Erika’. It could have just as easily been Simone or Michelle but that wouldn’t flow as well. But yes, I think as I get more comfortable now that I’m kind of doing The Rooks but also standing on my own, I’m sure I will write about more personal stories, or stories that are personal that I hope other people can relate to. Yeah, I definitely think that’s coming.
Bryan: Do you think writing songs with The Rooks versus writing songs as yourself, do you think there’s a sort of safety blanket that you have when writing with The Rooks and is it different when you’re writing on your own, are you more vulnerable?
Garth: Yeah, I absolutely have a safety blanket when I’m writing with The Rooks. Everyone in The Rooks has their own vibe and their own aesthetic and The Rooks is kind of a marriage with all of those things. Right? It’s not necessarily any one person or traditionally it hasn’t been. Now on the record we’re about to release certain people have definitely taken the lead in writing certain songs. But ultimately it’s a group, and the sounds and sonics have been decided on as a group. I do not have to operate that way when I write for myself or when I select songs for myself, or if they’re being offered to me, which like I said is very rare, but you know, here we are. And uh, part of that was very freeing for me. Feeling like I didn’t have to check with anybody if I could write. Or that I didn’t need anybody else’s approval for a song to get finished, which is not shady, it’s just like logistically how, the difference, it’s just the logistical difference. I’m so used to being like “Do you think this is okay?, What do you think about this?, I have this bridge, okay let’s do this bridge, not this bridge’, you know I didn’t have to do that. The decision was mine and I think I do pretty well in scenarios like that.
Bryan: How has the reception been of Human Nature among The Rooks and friends and family?
Garth: I think the reception has been pretty good. Rooks have been a part of the process. I didn’t let them hear all of the songs because I was very nervous about I don’t know, I was just really nervous and I didn’t want necessarily want anybody to hear everything until it was done. But they did each hear a little bit of something as it was being made. And so they have been very supportive. And my family has been fairly supportive but I don’t know honestly if they have heard it yet. I talked to my Mom today, I sent my family a text message actually this morning, um with a link to the Apple Music download and then I think my Aunt said she bought it. I called my Mom later about an unrelated thing because my parents and I and other members of my family are going on vacation later this month. She was like “Yes, yes, I got the link” but outside of “Human Nature”, I don’t know what they think of it. So let’s hope they like it.
Bryan: I mean, everyone I’ve played it for so far have said good things.
Garth: I’m really grateful for the positivity that strangers have, because now I’ve done the majority of my tour, so strangers, friends, friends of friends, and friends family have shown me for this project. It’s been overwhelming in all the best ways and very heartening for me to have the project be out there and to feel like I accomplished my goal.
Bryan: How has the tour been going?
Garth: The tour was, the tour is amazing – I say was because now I am just like on the last show this Friday. It’s been incredible. I’ve met a lot of amazing, amazing, amazing artists that I’ve shared the stage with and in a bunch of cities where now I feel like I need to go back to those cities as soon as possible. I’m already talking to people saying “Can we get back to Reading, California before the end of the year?, Can we make it happen?”. It’s been really cool, really memorable. There was a school in San Francisco where I performed for the entire school and these were 9th to 12th graders and they got up! They were dancing and I have never felt more cool in my entire life, and when I say that, I mean it.
Bryan: Kids are a tough audience so –
Garth: Kids are a tough crowd. My friends who teach high school, I’m like ‘How do you do that?’. Because personally I feel that I’m not that – I can remember high school like it was yesterday and also feel like because I can do that I would be really petty in a high school setting. Cause I would be trying to take down mean girls and guys who were you know not so nice, like I would feel like I had life power over them, just because I’m not a mess looking and maybe they are. I would just be really mean, I could see myself being a really mean teacher and being like ‘Look at your face, like look at how you look. How dare you disrespect me in my classroom’, you know? Kudos to my friends who are teachers and don’t let their PTSD of 10th grade run their lives. So for me it was really beautiful to be in a high school space where they were really engaged and just really positive and also free enough in themselves to dance in the middle of the day at their school in the gym. That to me was an incredible moment.
Bryan: Where was that again?
Garth: It was a school called the Nueva school in San Mateo, California. It really touched me. I have a few video clips that I’m gonna share. I’m gonna do the whole social media thing.
Bryan: I have to ask this because I saw it on Twitter. Was there ever a follow up to the person who said they knew the entire rap to “I Don’t Know What Love Is”?
Garth: (Laughs) Well look, he lives in Chicago and he has come to a Rooks show before. So if I am in Chicago and he is there and we can meet before the show to make sure we have a microphone for him, I will absolutely let him do that rap. Absolutely! Why would I not? That would be amazing.
Bryan: It’s fun moments like that that make it worth it, right?
Garth: Absolutely. When I was in Reading, actually bringing that up again, when I started that song there was an amazing rapper named Calvin Black in Reading, who, we just had such a great night in that city. He opened the show and he was just so electrifying and so engaging with the crowd that I, I asked him if he would come up on stage to do a freestyle over the beginning of “I Don’t Know What Love Is”, which he killed, because on this tour I’ve been doing the rap, and look, I’m not a rapper. I sing songs, however, I can’t get Watsky to come to all of my shows.
Bryan: Maybe you guys will just have to go on tour again.
Garth: Mmmmm you should DM him. But, he’s about to go on tour with Adam Vida and this new kind of band collective that they have called Invisible Inc. which is really cool. Everything Watsky does, I’m just like “Man, I miss you”.
Bryan: Moving forward, and this may be a tough question, but when it comes to your music and it comes to The Rooks music, if one were to sort of pop of like versus the other, how would you handle that?
Garth: How would I handle that? Carefully, with Google calendar (laughs) is how I would handle that. Because yeah my music is very new but like I said The Rooks, we are on the brink of finishing our album so there are plans for that as well. So honestly, it’s just about time management, that’s all I can say. If The Rooks album popped off tomorrow then I would just need to know and plan with the group exactly what we’re planning on doing what so I would know what time I have to work on my music. And vice versa.
Bryan: In the future is there any interest in wanting to be a part of a record label at all? Or is this stuff that you want to keep personal to you and maintain?
Garth: If a record label approached me tomorrow with commas in a deal, 0’s multiple, preferably six, I would have to consider it. Look I’m broke. I went to a very expensive school and I have very high student loans and they need to be paid. And if a label wants to pay for them then so be it. But I’m also not going to sign the 360 deal and give away my masters. We’re to old for that! It’s 2018, we’re too knowledgeable, stop signing 360 deals, okay, you can find another way! But I definitely would be interested in some labels, of course it would have to be right. And I think that would go for The Rooks as well. I don’t think we’re counting them out, but you can’t sign your life away.
Bryan: One last thing, I’ll give you the floor, give me a plug, talk about whatever you want to talk about.
Garth: Give me a plug, man what do people do? Well, uh, you know I just want to encourage people to listen to the music and share it. I’m just starting out so my social media numbers are infantile at this point, but I plan on doing a lot of shows in the future and I plan on releasing a lot of new music in the future as well. I’d really just love for people to check me out and stay in touch and you know I may be heading over to Europe later this year, maybe that’s a plug? Yeah, we’re working on that.
Bryan: When can we maybe look out for The Rooks record?
Garth: Ooooo. Hard to say. Because there’s so many factors that we’re trying to get a handle on, especially on the business side of, are we looking for labels? So it’s hard to say exactly when, but I can say it’s pretty much done, and it’s coming. It’s not like a situation of I don’t know, it’s never coming out, it’s shelved, you know. It’s really coming out. So I would hope by the end of the year it will be out. If not, early next year. I would hope that before the end of 2018 in the next couple of months that that will be out.